Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 38
Like Tree40Likes

Thread: The Best Star Trek Into Darkness Villain Theory I Know Of

  1. #1
    Administrator
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    12,790

    Default The Best Star Trek Into Darkness Villain Theory I Know Of

    The best theory I've heard as to what's going on with the mysterious "villain" situation in Star Trek Into Darkness is a real corker. I first picked up the threads in the forums of this very site then had some real world conversations with Trek buffs who were able to flesh it out a little.

    Thinking about it for the last few days, I've convinced myself there's a good chance it's at least close to the truth. Even if it isn't, it's a lot of fun.

    Okay, here were the jigsaw pieces we had to play with and wanted to fit together.
    1. Early trade reports said that Khan was the villain in the film
    2. Benedict Cumberbatch doesn't much look like Khan as we know him
    3. Cumberbatch has been officially named as John Harrison
    4. There are still some big name cast members in roles we know nothing about
    5. This new timeline is diverging from the old Trek timeline - it will be the same in some respects, but can branch off in new directions
    This theory pulls all of these bits and bobs together into something that at least seems coherent.

    So let's assume Cumberbatch is playing John Harrison and it isn't an alias of some kind. This could very well be the character Harrison from the show - he was never given a first name, but we did see him an awful lot.

    Amongst several other story lines, Harrison did appear in the episode Space Seed, the first appearance of Khan. They were in the same room at this point, I've been told.

    So what if they came into contact? What if Khan recruited Harrison at this point?

    In the original series, Khan was a genetically engineered augment with better physical faculties and greater than normal intelligence. It would seem, from the trailer, that Cumberbatch's character meets this description. Is it possible that he has, somehow after the effect, been improved or modified by Khan? That Khan has rewritten his DNA to make him tougher and smarter and faster?

    This would make John Harrison into something like a Star Trek version of Jonathan, the Buffy background character who came into the spotlight after getting his abilities hugely boosted.

    The best evidence for a kind of modification or genetic improvement element to the story comes in the nine minute IMAX prologue that will play with some screenings of The Hobbit from tomorrow. At the very beginning we see the parents of a sick child in a hospital. They are approached by Cumberbatch's character who says he can help.

    How? Well, how about some kind of gene therapy? The very kind that has enhanced him, under Khan's administration?

    This could make Harrison into a most interesting character. He'd be wanting to save and help and affect the lives of many by carrying out this gene therapy... but it would also come with the side effects that have made him lose his grip on morality a little.

    Peter Weller is in this film somewhere, said to be playing a CEO. Why isn't he in the marketing material? Because he looks like Khan, maybe? And that would be, perhaps, because he is Khan.

    Khan masquerading as a CEO maybe. The CEO of some kind genetic enhancement or medical company. Or maybe the story that he's playing a CEO was a mistake or misinformation?

    There's an apparent flaw to this theory in that it requires the storyline of Space Seed to have happened already before this film has started.

    Well, maybe it has. Maybe they would be so bold as to do that.

    And maybe - just maybe - one reason it doesn't need to play out on screen is that the Botany Bay and its cargo, Khan and all, weren't discovered by The Enterprise. Not in this timeline. Maybe another Federation ship went there instead... maybe Space Seed happened to a different set of characters while our lot were, one beat of a butterfly's wings away, on an adventure of their own.

    You can fill in the gaps for yourself, I'm sure.

    It's just a theory, but it seems to tie a lot of the elements together. It certainly explains why we haven't been seeing Peter Weller in the marketing material.

    Even if it doesn't all pan out like this, I'm thinking there's a very good chance that John Harrison is the same character as the original series' Harrison and also that Weller is Khan.

    It might be some time until we find out for sure, though...

  2. #2
    Cool
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    9

    Default

    Or, what if Benicio Del Toro, who was originally supposed to have been cast as Kahn, never dropped out?

  3. #3
    Administrator
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    12,790

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Oddcult View Post
    Or, what if Benicio Del Toro, who was originally supposed to have been cast as Kahn, never dropped out?
    I like that. It has much amusement value.

  4. #4
    Captain Cool thekeith82's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Shropshire, UK
    Posts
    3,159

    Default

    Well, I've only mentioned it in every Trek related thread since the trailer launched, so it's great to see Brendon giving this theory some love. It's my own personal favourite hypothesis so far, but I'm 50/50 on whether I want it to actually be the case. Whilst I'd love the smugness that comes with knowing you backed the right horse, it would be equally nice to be truly surprised on actually seeing the movie.
    die-yng and Rootfireember like this.

  5. #5
    VP in Charge of Cool bewareofgeek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    1,692

    Default

    I'm more a fan of the Robert April theory I came across the other day.

    Mario Di Giacomo

  6. #6
    VP in Charge of Cool
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    1,336

    Default

    Peter Weller played the leader of a anti-alien terrorist group in the last story arc on Star Trek: Enterprise. He might be playing the same character in the movie that he did in the series.
    Rootfireember likes this.

  7. #7
    Way Cool RMurray's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Delaware
    Posts
    42

    Default

    I very much like the idea of building towards Khan for a potential third film, but that also runs the risk of having Cumberbatch's entire existence be "feared/admired" for only two years, then we get the "bigger, badder" Khan in ST3. Or the risk of Khan being a bummer in ST3, where people felt more towards Cumberbatch in this upcoming film. We're only 9 minutes into this John Harrison, and most of the internet already LOVES the character and can't wait to get more.

    At the admission of NOT being Khan by Benedict, why even bother now? They've established a threat that we all want to see, and while we also want to see Khan, they're walking a fine line between what we want to see from the prior films, and what we NEED to see with THESE films.

    I love Peter Weller, but I don't see the internet getting jazzed for him being a secret Khan. My biggest fear is that they completely ignore the Vulcan storyline from the first film within this film, and then if they're building towards ST3 with Khan, completely ignoring the plot in THAT film as well. It was a monumental change for the universe these films exist in, and hopefully they just don't shrug it aside. It should be one of the defining characteristics of what makes these films so different (or potentially different) than previous ones.
    die-yng likes this.

  8. #8
    Bleeding Cool Mike H.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Duckburg
    Posts
    15,727

    Default

    I just want to see Kirk vs. Klingons and no constant "this is an alternate universe" reminders. Just tell the audience a good Trek tale.
    Eric Sean and smokescreen like this.

  9. #9
    Way Cool RMurray's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Delaware
    Posts
    42

    Default

    But it is. They made that bed in the first film, now they get to sleep in it. We don't always need a "This is what would've happened if Nero destroyed Vulcan..." reminder. But we're in a different timeline, that is how these films exist. They need to honor that.

  10. #10
    Wrote the Book on Cool gojirast's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    597

    Default

    I like the theory. Clearly with the timeline divergence as far back as it happened, the Botany Bay could have been discovered, and Khan taken out of stasis, years before it happened in the prime timeline. Maybe he was recovered in a situation that either didn't tempt him like the idea of taking over a starship, or in much more controlled circumstances.

    Maybe Weller's character killed Khan and all his cohorts in developing the gene therapy theorized about here. In secret.

    Or maybe Harrison is Red Jack.

Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •