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    Rantz Hoseley (remember him? When Longbox Comics was a thing?) writes;
    If you?re receiving this, it?s because a.) I know you and b.) at some point we?ve discussed the state of the comic industry, how it treats creators, and the need to ?make things better?. Attached are some outlined thoughts on an American Sequential Arts Guild, that might address some of these concerns and issues that have haunted us as an industry for years in a way that both creators and publishers might embrace, and that would serve as a critical support role for freelance creators.

    If you have no interest in this, please feel free to ignore this email. However, if you have any thoughts, feedback, input or interest, please feel free to reply. Furthermore, in an effort to explore this idea on a larger scale, I encourage you to cross-post this to any blogs or newssites, in order to get feedback from the existing freelance creators on the largest field possible.

    Thank you for your time, and I look forward to the discussion that will (hopefully) grow out of this.

    Best wishes, and I hope that your holiday season, and coming new year are filled with joy, love, and great things.

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    Hmm...seems like Rantz thought a lot of this through. One thing I noticed that's interesting--he says that since it is not a union, creators can sign contracts with publishers for a rate that is below the guild minimum, in order to give creators options/choice. However, the very next dot says that if a publisher does, then they will no longer be guild accredited.

    Now, if this guild idea does take off, doesn't that inherently drive up the rates, doing the same thing that a union does in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkKnightJared View Post
    Hmm...seems like Rantz thought a lot of this through. One thing I noticed that's interesting--he says that since it is not a union, creators can sign contracts with publishers for a rate that is below the guild minimum, in order to give creators options/choice. However, the very next dot says that if a publisher does, then they will no longer be guild accredited.

    Now, if this guild idea does take off, doesn't that inherently drive up the rates, doing the same thing that a union does in the first place?
    not really, just like it says here it will only establish the minimum rate for inkers, writers, etc
    it will just depend on whatever the publisher want or not to be Guild accredited

    we could get in a situation where pretty much every single published with the exception of DC and Marvel adopt this system and it would still be a positive thing
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    What would be the benefit for publishers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattMoylan View Post
    What would be the benefit for publishers?
    Um... unions aren't usually formed to benefit the employers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Offenberg View Post
    Um... unions aren't usually formed to benefit the employers...
    Of course but if there's no benefit for publishers, why would any of them ever sign on to this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattMoylan View Post
    Of course but if there's no benefit for publishers, why would any of them ever sign on to this?
    Because publishers are evil and shouldn't be allowed to make money or set wages. Oh, waitaminute, if they're EVIL, there's no way they'ed sign on.
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    This morning on the news, a guy from the Detroit Auto Union was publicly threatening the governor's children, since the guy had the nerve to sign a bill allowing people the choice of not joining unions. They always start out with good intentions and end up worse the corrupt companies they're trying to fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattMoylan View Post
    Of course but if there's no benefit for publishers, why would any of them ever sign on to this?
    If enough top writers and artists sign on to it, they won't have a choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Offenberg View Post
    If enough top writers and artists sign on to it, they won't have a choice.
    Top writers and artists already get paid well. Why would they sign on either? It'd just be extra hassle for them.
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