A December Without Uncanny Avengers?

[Comicsfan101]

My visions 20/20 but i think your math might be a bit suspect...I was referring mainly to the first couple posts claiming that the new 52 was a success to marvel nows failure, disregarding the fact that we are barely 2 weeks into a month long roll out, & also disregarding anything about the books themselves & instead focusing on numbers that have now been topped with these marvel now books, essentially refuting an already flimsy argument. But beyond the literal bashing, there seems to be a lot of the less transparent kind, people bashing the book or the editors w/o expressing their obvious distinguised competition preference...all I'm saying is why even read these news articles or strongly voice opinions if you couldn't care less about the brands or the characters? A quick glance at your posts tells me that you yourself haven't read any marvel books in years, so why even comment? I'm not trying to be a prick, I'm genuinely curious, because my main preference right now is marvel, because they have the characters & most importantly the creators that interest me, but there are still dc books that are good now & then, snyders batman is up there w/ the best books that marvel puts out, but I personally can't find the time or desire to try to tear down books I don't read. It just makes the comments section a drag to read, and I'm personally very excited for all of these books to roll out, I'd rather have an engaging conversation w/ people that have actually read the books than a flame war that is essentially pointless.

Maybe you didn't look around to find out, but most of those doing the bashing here are Marvel fans. Pretty easy to see if you just check their posting history. Beyond that, your post very specifically said, "When I read comments of a story like this, why am I seeing nothing but dc fanboy tirades?" which is patently false. There were no "dc fanboy tirades" at all, let alone "nothing but". Your statement wasn't even close to accurate, even accounting for exaggeration. There is nothing wrong with my math. You can do the counting yourself.

By the way, good luck finding a single post from me bashing Marvel. Pretty sure they don't exist. I know you won't find any posts of me just trying "to tear down books I don't read", though you'll find many posts of me countering people doing just that. Again, actually being familiar with posting history before you make "all I see" comments is helpful.

[jonb227]

Maybe you didn't look around to find out, but most of those doing the bashing here are Marvel fans. Pretty easy to see if you just check their posting history. Beyond that, your post very specifically said, "When I read comments of a story like this, why am I seeing nothing but dc fanboy tirades?" which is patently false. There were no "dc fanboy tirades" at all, let alone "nothing but". Your statement wasn't even close to accurate, even accounting for exaggeration. There is nothing wrong with my math. You can do the counting yourself.


By the way, good luck finding a single post from me bashing Marvel. Pretty sure they don't exist. I know you won't find any posts of me just trying "to tear down books I don't read", though you'll find many posts of me countering people doing just that. Again, actually being familiar with posting history before you make "all I see" comments is helpful.

I'm not trying to get into an argument over semantics w/ anyone, yes there are comments that don't mention dc, that was a figure of speech on my part, and if it has come off that I'm trying to attack you personally in any way I honestly did not mean for that...you seem like a level headed enough person, & the tearing down books comment was not pointed towards you, but some of the other earlier comments on this page & comments pages in general....as far as there being no dc fanboys on this comments section, that seems a little strange to me when the wording of a lot of these comments is aimed at marvel 'calling dc to see how it's done'....I don't have the time or the interest to search everyone's prior posts to find out where their allegiances lie, but when you hear those kinds of arguments, they are typically of the fanboy variety....ultimately you seem to be much better acquainted w/ the bc forums so I'll take your word for it, but to get back to the issue at hand, none of the people claiming marvel should take a page out of dc's book when it comes to this relaunch can make those claims w/ any sort of merit or evidence to back it up....the uncanny book is the only one that is missing ship dates, and the numbers are already coming in strong, beyond the fact that they have a stable of creators that are award winning & putting out intelligent books almost across the board. For my personal tastes I would rather use editorial to keep things in line & keep their creators happy than to crack the whip & force many of those same creators out....so if people are claiming that marvel should follow dc based strictly on the topic at hand, late shipping, and not any kind of fanboy all-encompassing reason, then that is pretty far off the mark as well based on facts from inside the stable of writers themselves

[Comicsfan101]

I'm not trying to get into an argument over semantics w/ anyone, yes there are comments that don't mention dc, that was a figure of speech on my part, and if it has come off that I'm trying to attack you personally in any way I honestly did not mean for that...you seem like a level headed enough person, & the tearing down books comment was not pointed towards you, but some of the other earlier comments on this page & comments pages in general....as far as there being no dc fanboys on this comments section, that seems a little strange to me when the wording of a lot of these comments is aimed at marvel 'calling dc to see how it's done'....I don't have the time or the interest to search everyone's prior posts to find out where their allegiances lie, but when you hear those kinds of arguments, they are typically of the fanboy variety....ultimately you seem to be much better acquainted w/ the bc forums so I'll take your word for it, but to get back to the issue at hand, none of the people claiming marvel should take a page out of dc's book when it comes to this relaunch can make those claims w/ any sort of merit or evidence to back it up....the uncanny book is the only one that is missing ship dates, and the numbers are already coming in strong, beyond the fact that they have a stable of creators that are award winning & putting out intelligent books almost across the board. For my personal tastes I would rather use editorial to keep things in line & keep their creators happy than to crack the whip & force many of those same creators out....so if people are claiming that marvel should follow dc based strictly on the topic at hand, late shipping, and not any kind of fanboy all-encompassing reason, then that is pretty far off the mark as well based on facts from inside the stable of writers themselves

My point was that the problem you were describing was not as big as you were describing. Yes, people said Marvel should follow DC's playbook, but it was not more than four people out of nearly 30 posts. Most of the people complaining here are Marvel fans not happy with what Marvel is doing, just like most of the people complaining at DC are DC fans not happy with what DC is doing. I don't usually agree with their methods either, but trying to dismiss them as fanboys for the opposing team doesn't work, because it usually isn't true. There are always exceptions, but the ones usually making the most noise are actually fanboys for the team they're yelling about. Some are, believe it or not, actually fanboys for both teams.

[Cavemold]

Nah, I think he'd still be able to juggle things well enough to continue doing the latter.

I hope it doesn't come to pass either, because I'm still kinda looking forward to reading this book over time, and I'd hate to have to drop another of his titles.

Oh, and these delays are ridiculous. But that goes without saying.

Yea. I wonder if the delays will affect the trade release date? No they really need new artist

[Tom Strong]

"Marvel Now" sounds more like Marvel Later.

[Cavemold]

"Marvel Now" sounds more like Marvel Later.

I should of copyrighted that solgan when I had chance

[Blade X]

Newsarama.com : October 2012 Comics Sales Best 2011-Early NEW 52 Figures
Uncanny was number one last month i wonder if it will go down because of tardiness

Maybe. It might also go down in sales because of these 3 other possible reasons.

1. Fans might find the concept/premise behind this book utterly stupid (and IMO, it is stupid) and they decide not to buy the book.

2. Natural sales attrition.

3. Because the first issues sales were so hugely artificially inflated by variant covers that the only place this books sales can go is down.

[paulski]

Yea. I wonder if the delays will affect the trade release date?

Without a doubt.

Going by what happened with Astonishing X-Men, I'd expect the eventual delay for #6 (assuming that's the end of the first arc) to be at least 2 months, but probably even more.

[Cavemold]

Without a doubt.

Going by what happened with Astonishing X-Men, I'd expect the eventual delay for #6 (assuming that's the end of the first arc) to be at least 2 months, but probably even more.

Its issues 1-4 itd on amazon pre order.

[paulski]

Its issues 1-4 itd on amazon pre order.

Ah, I should have expected it to be one of Marvel's ridiculous 4 issue HC's... and no doubt costing either $20 or $25, too.

In that case, probably a one or two month delay instead of the three I was betting on.