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Thread: Did The Parent Companies Of Marvel And DC Create The Piracy They Now Condemn?

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    There's a conspiracy theory going around courtesy of one?*Mike Mozart that alleges that the very backers of the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) legislation actually created the very piracy they are now trying to combat, as some nefarious money making/power grabbing scam.

    And while I think that is a little too much in the direction of David Icke, and the video promoting this theory comes over like a hectoring humourless Bill Hicks and makes me want to throw a bucket of baked beans over him, there is at its core, something very interesting and notable.

    The charge that the vast majority of pirate downloading software, BitTorrent, Kazaa, Morpheus, Limewire and so much more, was distributing by CNET websites like Download.com, owed by CBS, which profited from advertising revenue from this distribution.

    And that such software was also made available using CNET by, amongst others, Disney's Go and then-AOL Time Warner's AOL pages, also benefitting from said advertising.

    Clear in the knowledge that this software, while completely legal, could and would be used for downloading illegal content. Including one program that explicitly searched Pirate Bay's listings. And had Shelby Bonnie was on the board of CNET and Warner Music Group at the same time. And Mike Mathews has plenty of screencaps of those items being offered by the various companies, many of whom are on the SOPA list.

    Mike sees this as a big conspiracy, to induce people to break the law so that they could be prosecuted and the law changed to give copyright owners more power over the internet. I see it more as left hands and right hands not knowing what the other is doing, and not actually caring.

    But what it most definitely does, is paints many of those supporting SOPA as corporate hypocrites. And that includes both Marvel's owner Disney and DC's owner, Time Warner. And calls for these companies to be prosecuted for distributing software in the knowledge it would be used for piracy, rather than focus on the end user.

    It's a compelling case... if you can get past the conspiracy.

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    You won't go after my senseless DC writer theories but you keep hammering on this. Man..

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    The comic companies are contributing to piracy by making digital bend over backwards to keep retail dinosaurs like Brian Hibbs happy.

    Know how to beat piracy? Make the legal ways easier than pirating, and offer them at a fair price.

    I buy comics on my iPad all the time because it takes seconds, and my iPad is always with me. I read a story about something here (usually the thoughts on this week's releases), and immediately flip to ComiXology and buy the standouts.

    I try to keep my weekly purchases hovering around the $10.00 mark, but I go over a lot with sales, or super cool stuff.

    I would buy more units if prices were lowered, and I'd go up to $20/week if I could get more stuff, because right now I won't take risks on things that aren't awesome unless they're cheap (this week I got into Blue Estate and Atomic Robo because of the awesome Holiday sale at ComiXology).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt D View Post
    You won't go after my senseless DC writer theories but you keep hammering on this. Man..
    This is called, "Rich doesn't really have anything of his own that's post-worthy, and he's passing on the Beat's coverage that Alan Moore is being a dick to Bissette and stopping thr 1963 reprint because Rich does nothing but blow smoke up Moore's ass, so he'll crib something from the comments section and turn that into 'news'".

    Don't take it personally.

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    Posted about this in the other thread:

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    Not a new problem. When a corporation gets big enough, its different divisions are going to have different goals -- Warner Music wants to stop the illegal spread of copyrighted material, while Time Warner Cable is profiting from it.

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    Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.

    The simple fact is that the execs at the big media companies were clueless about the software they were distributing (and which would have been distributed just as widely without them) and what it would be used for. If they were as clever as this conspiracy theory requires them to be, they would've figured out how to make big money from digital distribution by now.
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    And all online downloading is done on computers made by corporations, man! It all makes sense now!

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    Anyone remembers when SONY music was sueing SONY DVD Production division because the producers of empty dvds were accused to primarily cater to store illegal things on dvds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason A. Quest View Post
    The simple fact is that the execs at the big media companies were clueless about the software they were distributing (and which would have been distributed just as widely without them) and what it would be used for.
    I wouldn't say that. In the post-Napster era, every exec knows that any peer-to-peer filesharing software is used for piracy -- indeed, most seem to believe that's the ONLY thing it's used for.

    Sumner Redstone may be personally involved in the suit against YouTube, but he doesn't control what software gets distributed on Cnet. Viacom is split into a hell of a lot of mostly-autonomous divisions. The people at Famous Music may not have been happy with Cnet offering KaZaA, but they didn't have the power to do anything about it. And even if someone HAD appealed it far enough up the chain for someone in a position to tell Cnet to knock it off, Cnet would likely have responded by pointing out that the software is legal, it's easy to get elsewhere, and look how much money we'd lose out on if we took it down.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason A. Quest View Post
    If they were as clever as this conspiracy theory requires them to be, they would've figured out how to make big money from digital distribution by now.
    Most of them ARE making pretty good money on digital distribution; they just want more.

    We're now in a world where the TV studios are deliberately making Hulu less appealing because it's too popular and makes them less money than TV. As if that were the choice -- getting viewers to watch on Hulu or on broadcast TV -- instead of getting viewers to watch on Hulu or just pirate the damn thing.

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    Little Jimmy says C-O-N SPIRACY!
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