Page 1 of 5 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 50
Like Tree65Likes

Thread: Did Two Captions Doom Ozymandias?

  1. #1
    Administrator
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    15,379

    Default Did Two Captions Doom Ozymandias?

    There are spoilers here for Before Watchmen: Ozymandias #4. But then, only if you haven;t read Watchmen. In which case, there are spoilers for Watchmen too.

    I've been enjoying quite a lot of Before Watchmen. There are a few things that rankle, the misuse of quantum theory in Doctor Manhattan, a certain ordinariness in Nite Owl, and then of course there's the whole concept of prequelising a work against the wishes of its writer thank to a fluke of a contract that neither party intended.

    You know.

    But there was one thing that really annoyed me yesterday. It seems that with issue 4, both Ozymandias and Silk Spectre are closing in on the inaugural (and last) meeting of the Crimebusters. And while Silk Spectre takes a tiny aspect to end on her relationship with Dr Manhattan, Ozymandias basically goes for a word-for-word retelling of the scene, with one important addition. Here's a page from the original,using its nine panel grid, followed by the corresponding page from the prequel using its circular and split page device.



    There it is. Those last captions. In the original, it just sat there, focusing on Ozymandias. The meaning was there if you took it and pays off wonderfully towards the end. In the prequel retelling of the scene it just has to add an additional line. The comic is told in Ozymandias' first person narrative, the kind of tool Watchmen only used with an actual physical diary, we never actually got inside the character's heads, we could only judge them by what they did and what they said.

    But here it seems to be covering all the bases with unecessary naration. The original scene was rather perfect, this addition knocks it completely off its axis, with two small captions.

    Or is it just me?

  2. #2
    King of Cool Blackfist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    London
    Posts
    13,648

    Default

    Yes, No, Maybe so...

    I think it shows far to much ego with the "me" but it kinda reminds me of that scene in the prison with Rorschach as he Narrates his epiphany
    http://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters3/slayer-lazy.gif Grunge isn't Dead, Just Indifferent

  3. #3
    Bleeding Cool toodoor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Winchester, UK
    Posts
    7,420

    Default

    I think it's doing a different job, the prequels are designed to be read after the original I would say, so the intention is different. But then I haven't read the page in the context of the full book since I dropped it!
    stegron and StarCruncher like this.
    Warning, the above post may contain traces of sarcasm, or have been written in an environment where it may have come into contact with sarcasm.

    All opinions expressed represent the opinion of the author and not those of Bleeding Cool. Those guys have appalling taste.

    My name is Steven Tudor, nice to meet you.

    Stuff on ebay

  4. #4
    Exceedingly Cool
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    81

    Default

    Somewhat inevitable given the format of the comic to be honest. BWO is basically one big thought bubble, and yes, that is fairly obviously what we know Ozzy was thinking in that panel, and have known for 25 years.
    WedShuffle likes this.

  5. #5
    Captain Cool StarCruncher's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Otisburg
    Posts
    3,269

    Default

    It's partially you and partially not. You're getting too academic on the over-analysis. As toodoor mentioned, it's doing a different job and is telling a prequel story in service/background of the original.
    stegron and Lars Jensen like this.
    Quote Originally Posted by toodoor View Post
    I don't think you're mental

  6. #6
    Cool
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Posts
    6

    Default

    Yeah it's not necessary. And by that I mean the whole Before Watchmen line of books is an unnecessary line of narration.

  7. #7
    Consultant of Cool
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    230

    Default

    Well, one is written by a writer that thinks his reader is intelligent and will understand. The other is written by a 12 years old guy who thinks he's more intelligent than his reader, so he'll have to explain everything.
    But what really shocks me is that in the first page the play between the characters gives as much info as the dialogues... and the second page is... let's not talk about the second page.

  8. #8
    Consultant of Cool
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Connecticut, USA
    Posts
    318

    Default

    Seeing that page makes me want to read Watchmen again. It's been a few years now. Probably worth another ride now.
    Avatar: Uber
    DC:
    Animal Man, Aquaman, Batman, Constantine, Demon Knights, Dial H, Green Arrow, Justice League, Justice League Dark, Justice League of America, Swamp Thing, The Wake
    Image: America's Got Powers, East of West, Fatale, Jupiter's Legacy, Nowhere Men, Saga, Sex, The Manhattan Projects
    Marvel: Fantastic Four, FF, Hawkeye, Young Avengers

  9. #9
    Exceedingly Cool arseface's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    79

    Default

    It removes the nuance and subtlety from the scene.

    Having said that, I always thought the very last page could do with a thought bubble from the fat guy in the New Frontiersman office: "I'm going to reach for the book in this pile of letters. I wonder whether it will make an adequate filler story? Perhaps it will be something more significant..."

  10. #10
    Way Cool
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    48

    Default

    Do they credit Moore for the dialogue on that page?

Page 1 of 5 123 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •