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    Hell. Even the New Testament with its Ancient Greek to modern Greek to English is pretty fubar. In even the Greek there are multiple words Christ uses for the very important term 'love'. Yet in English it is just turned into one word. And that's just the major one I can think of off the top of the head. Oh and then there's the whole "Upon this rock/Peter I build my church" which helped split the eastern and western Christian churches a millennium ago and had the Pope figure he was the head of the whole shebang. Not the only reason, but that was a scriptural basis hinged on translation.

    Meanwhile.. maybe these aren't angels. Well.. they are.. but.. maybe they are.. fallen angels. In particular.. what if they are the many who are one? Legion, the demon(s) who were inside of a man and who Christ cast out into a group of pigs and drove off a cliff.

    Also.. I am pretty horrified that evolution is only at 15% in this country. I thought we were doing at least a little bit better than that. Like Superman, I believe in all three. Well, maybe not quite aliens but at least their possibility.

    And.. technically... if angels do exist.. they are aliens. Alien and extraterrestrial just means something not of this planet Earth, be they from another planet or a higher dimension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Xenos View Post
    Also.. I am pretty horrified that evolution is only at 15% in this country. I thought we were doing at least a little bit better than that.
    Considering Rich's "source" and Gallup's notorious trending to the right and somewhat questionable methodology, it's pretty damn unlikely that number even resembles accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Xenos View Post
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    Meanwhile.. maybe these aren't angels. Well.. they are.. but.. maybe they are.. fallen angels. In particular.. what if they are the many who are one? Legion, the demon(s) who were inside of a man and who Christ cast out into a group of pigs and drove off a cliff.

    Also.. I am pretty horrified that evolution is only at 15% in this country. I thought we were doing at least a little bit better than that. Like Superman, I believe in all three. Well, maybe not quite aliens but at least their possibility.

    And.. technically... if angels do exist.. they are aliens. Alien and extraterrestrial just means something not of this planet Earth, be they from another planet or a higher dimension.
    Four words for love, as I recall, brotherly love, love for pet or possession, sexual love desire, and spiritual love.

    Fallen Angels is another theological minefield, a bit like how many you get on a pin, it depends on the brand as to which mythology followed; the fallen angel tradition is one, others argue you have good ones and bad ones - they don't change sides, to put it simply, rather than good ones who went bad.

    Legion is an example of the belief in a corporate entity; that is a collective consciousness made up of individuals, so that is applicable to the Multitude here as a single force expressed in our reality in as many.

    Morrison is obviously showing us some ideas about how existing in higher dimensions might be imagined.

    There is a underlying idea of collective identity of which Legion is an example. So it's possible to argue a group of people, a city, a country, were regarded as single collective entity - eg the Princes / Archangels in the book of Daniel.

    Of Aliens and Angels, I'd just observe they're both potentially unidentified flying objects - and that peoples descriptions of them tend to be culturally specific, hence back in the day it was flying ships and dragons, by the 50's it was flying sauces, and aliens in space suits, then the greys.

    indeed the little grey men occupy a similar cultural role to the little green people, ie the fairy kind.

    The book was good, and I enjoyed Superman being both Super and a man. The back up was well done too.
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    ACTION COMICS #14 was spectacular! Even though some of Washcloth Morales' panels were not -- let's say up to par (that's being polite) -- the issue was awesome.
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    I still just can't get into Morales' art here. Comparing this issue to the last time Morrison wrote an encounter between Superman and angels, Howard Porter just blows Morales out of the water in terms of epicness. And I'm really not a huge fan of Porter's art either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comicsfan101 View Post
    Considering Rich's "source" and Gallup's notorious trending to the right and somewhat questionable methodology, it's pretty damn unlikely that number even resembles accurate.
    Sadly, the likelihood is that the number of Americans who actually believe in evolution is probably lower. Particularly when you consider a party that got 48% of the vote or so actually nominates more young Earth Creationists for high office than people who believe in evolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemurion View Post
    Sadly, the likelihood is that the number of Americans who actually believe in evolution is probably lower. Particularly when you consider a party that got 48% of the vote or so actually nominates more young Earth Creationists for high office than people who believe in evolution.
    Not really indicative. They have a very rabid, ultra-religious base they believe (right or wrong) they have to appease. Doesn't mean anything close to the majority of that 48% believes the same way. Just the loud (and obnoxious) ones.

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    ok, admittedly we americans arent very intelligent but i gotta comment on your numbers. 15% of americans believe in evolution without any divine intervention. so basically 15% of the population are atheists or non religious and support the theory of evolution (myself included in that group). the number of americans who believe in evolution with or without the help of a creator is about 40%. which is still ridiculously low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robotman410 View Post
    ok, admittedly we americans arent very intelligent but i gotta comment on your numbers. 15% of americans believe in evolution without any divine intervention. so basically 15% of the population are atheists or non religious and support the theory of evolution (myself included in that group). the number of americans who believe in evolution with or without the help of a creator is about 40%. which is still ridiculously low.
    But more accurate than the 15% that Rich spewed out.

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